I want to share this important interview between Bill Maher and Charlie Rose, both liberals, both fairly hostile to Christianity, but one of them is more honest (and more informed) about Islam, and more honest about the double standard. I’ve also included a rough transcrip because I know that sometimes we have guests who are deaf or hard of hearing.
I apologize for the quality. This is far from a professional transcript. I listened to it over and over and typed it out as I heard it, but a few times there’s crosstalk where Rose keeps interrupting but I can’t really understand what he says, and some of it is just him making ‘I hear you’ noises, and I didn’t always include that.
Maher: I saw Howard Dean on tv the other day and he said something along the order about the people in Isis and he said “I’m about as Islamic as they are” you know distancing the vast number of Islamic people around the world from it. That’s just not true.
Rose: It is true.
Maher: it is not true, Charlie there is a connecting tissue between-
Rose: You mean behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical-
Maher: LEt me finish.
Rose: I thought I was doing that.
Maher: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that I don’t
Rose. vast number of Christians, too.
Maher: No. no, that’s not true. Not true. Vast numbers of christian people do not believe that if you leave the christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of christians do not treat women as second class citizens. vast numbers of Christians –
Rose: I agree with that, I’m just saying
Maher: Do not beileve that if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should be killed for it. So yes, does isis do khmer rouge like activities where they just kill people indiscrimianately for not being just like them? Yes. Do most Muslims in the world do that or condone that? No, but most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. For-
Rose: How do you know that?
Maher: First of all they say it. They shout it from-
Rose: Vast majorities say that?
Maher: absolutely. there’s a pew poll of egypt done a few years ago.
Maher: over 82% do condone stoning as the appropriate punishment for adultery. I think it was over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion.
I’m sure you know these things.
Rose: I know (stammers) I know of them well I do but I don’t th-
Maher: so to say that this religion is like other religions is just naive and just plain wrong. It is not like other religions. The NYT
Rose: There’s a program I want to do.
Maher: The NYT pointed out in an op-ed a couple weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia, just since Aug 4 I think it was, they have beheaded 19 people, most for nonviolent crimes including homosexuality.
Rose. Plus they cut the hands off of thieves.
Maher: Right, so we are upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it, but they are our good friends. Because they have oil. Okay, but they do it too. This is the center of their religion, I’m not saying that-
Rose- (couldn’t understand part of it), saying that they are now joining us in the fight against ISIS, too, as is the emirates.
Maher: They are both fighting and for ISIS
Rose. Well, not the government.
Maher: certainly the government.
(cross talk and something I couldn’t understand about somebody named Cutter. I think the tape is cut here)
Maher: but I mean in mecca where infidels, nonmuslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don’t have examples of that in other religions. They do behead people. Now, if they were beheading people in vatican city, which is the equivilant of mecca, don’t you think there’d be a bigger outcry about it?
So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations
Rose: Well, I’m not a fan of that term
Maher: that we have with Muslim people.
When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it’s just not talked about nearly as much.
Rose: Would you come to this table and have a debate about that with a moderate Muslim?
Maher: Find one. Yes. Find one. Find a Muslim-
Rose: Yes, I promise you I will. I do believe that what we have with ISIS is not representative of
Maher: Well, it’s as I said, connecting tissue
Rose: Is not representative of the Islam religion. I do not think the Koran teaches them to do this kind of thing.
Maher: WEll, you’re wrong about that. the koran absolutely has on every page stuff that’s horrible about how the infidel should be treated. But for example, again, Isis says they should perform genital mutliation on all women 11 to 46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No. But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says can we really say
Rose- and and and I have tremendous respect for her, too.
Maher- and she would know, better than you,
Rose: (cross talk), and she’s been a victim, too
Maher: she said can we really say that women are treated equally int he muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places, so
Rose: But a lot of moderate, moderate, muslims would say that, in fact, one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women. Lots of them.
Maher: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And in all
Rose: As they should.
Maher: these other countries, they’re doing things like making them wear a burqha, and I hear liberals saying, “Well, they want to.”
They *want* to? They’ve been brainwashed. You know they don’t want… it’s like saying a streetwalker wants to do that.
Basically, Rose is totally schooled here by Maher, but I am not sure if Rose is able to see out of the liberal-think hole in which he lives enough to understand how confused he is about reality. Rose was genial and friendly enough, he just doesn’t agree with Maher at all that Islam is an order more violent than Christianity today. His reasons for disagreeing are basically that he doesn’t agree. And somehow, the fact that there may be some moderate Muslims who think maybe they could look at rethinking the idea of how the Muslim religion treats women is supposed to render irrelevant the rampant genital mutilation, banning women drivers, stoning women for being the victims of rape, ‘honor killing’ of wives, daughters, and sisters, preventing girls from going to school, polygamy, wife beating, and more.
Updated to add this link.Beheadings in Saudi have increased so much that the government is advertising for new hires:
“A downloadable pdf application form for the executioner jobs, available on the website carrying Monday’s date, said the jobs were classified as “religious functionaries” and that they would be at the lower end of the civil service pay scale.”